Topic: Collapse

[ Episode #19 // Crash Course ]

Jul 27 2011

Mini Episode

The debt crisis engulfing American political discourse is just the realization of a financial and economic reality that has been playing out for several years resulting from decades of economic policy. Now that the unsustainable nature of our national economy can no longer be ignored how will ordinary people in the United States handle such an awakening? Does this divergence from consumption, saving for retirement and planning to buy a house present a unique chance for our generation to have a new definition of what constitutes a meaningful life? Even if the US avoids default in the next few months, are we just postponing a larger crisis down the road?

In Extraenvironmentalist #19 we speak with Chris Martenson about The Crash Course, his video series that introduces the economic, energy and environmental challenges of the near future. Chris has also just released The Crash Course as a book that comprehensively details the core issues facing our planet and modern industrial economies. We talk with Chris about his transition from medical researcher and corporate executive into sustainability advocate and economic journalist. Our discussion covers his predictions for the currently unfolding debt crisis in Washington, DC that threatens to bring America to default and the ability for our generation to take advantage of the numerous opportunities we'll be presented with in the tumultuous times ahead. All while Seth enjoys a delicious garden fresh tomato.

 

// Music (in order of appearance)
Gramatik - Moar Jive via The Music Ninja
John Denver - Country Roads (Pretty Lights Remix) via Sunset in the Rear View
Note: we think it's so nice we used it twice; as it's also in #18
Widowspeak - Wicked Game (Chris Isaak Cover) via IndieShuffle

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[ Episode #18 // The Wealth of Nature ]

Jul 27 2011

Mini Episode

Our economic systems are beginning to expose the first intimations of how drastically they've been failing us. Is this breakdown happening because our economics are reflecting the state of our ecosystems? Generations of economists have adhered with religious fervor to tenets of growth and free market dynamics that have detached from reality so drastically these beliefs have become superstitions that now drive our currencies to the brink of collapse. How can a naturally centered mindset re-focus our economic ideals?

In Extraenvironmentalist #18 we speak with John Michael Greer about his latest book, The Wealth of Nature: Economics as if Survival Mattered. John blogs prolifically at The Archdruid Report and has written several additional spectacular books on the precarious predicaments of industrial society like, The Long Descent and The Ecotechnic Future. As Grand Archdruid of the Ancient Order of Druids in America John's naturally focused mind shines an illuminating viewpoint on the fallacies of modern economics and how our physical reality can create a sustainable economic system. We discuss why people typically embrace denial when first encountering his ideas, the role his druid practice has had in revealing many fallacies of commonly held viewpoints about industrial society, the role of politics in the collapse of industrial civilization and what a day in the life of a druid looks like.

 

 

// Music (in order of appearance)
Balam Acab - Oh Why via The Music Ninja
Channel Cairo - Elephant Room via Earplugs Not Included
Graffiti 6 - Free via Youtube
John Denver - Country Roads (Pretty Lights Remix) via Sunset in the Rear View

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[ Episode #17 // Economics of Sustainability ]

Jul 4 2011

Mini Episode

The interplay between energy and money will be the underlying factor behind the biggest stories of the next decade. While easily accessible energy has created a massive financial bubble on the way up Hubbert's curve, the primary agent on the way down will be unraveling financial complexities built up over the last 60 years. Surviving in this new world will require a radically different idea about how money can operate in localized units of economic exchange. Can ideas like liquidity networks help us survive in this new age of emergency?

In Extraenvironmentalist #17 we speak with Richard Douthwaite about the collection of essays he co-edited on the coming financial storm, Fleeing Vesuvius. Richard is an author of many books on the fallacies of economic growth, co-founder of the Foundation for the Economics of Sustainability (FEASTA) and a Fellow of the Post Carbon Institute.  Richard explains how his educational background in economics stifled his worldview for a many years and the effect The Limits to Growth had on changing his mind about the ways in which modern economics are practiced.  We discuss why entrepreneurs are worshiped by economic leaders, the promise of liquidity networks for reforming currency dynamics, the ability for energy bonds to revolutionize community energy projects and the effect of introducing new technologies into an economic system.

Also in XE #17 we respond to listener feedback, play a fantastic voicemail from a dedicated listener on ethanol subsidies and throw our endorsement behind an upcoming film about youth fighting for climate justice: you can support Just Do It via their IndieGoGo project.

 

// Music (in order of appearance)
Mr. Little Jeans - The Suburbs (Arcade Fire Cover) via The Music Ninja
ceo - Halo (Beyonce Cover) viaPretty Much Amazing
Daytona Beach - Loud Valley via Zen Tapes
Toro y Moi - New Beat (Fare Soldi "Canatu" Remix) via Harder Blogger Faster
inc - Swear viaGorilla vs. Bear

Corrections //

Justin incorrectly refers to Richard Blume, he means David Blume's alcohol economy

Original post on July 1st had the wrong audio file

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[ Episode #14 // Discovering Dirt ]

Apr 17 2011

Mini Episode

Though we call it dirt, the soil beneath is the skin of our planet and the breadbasket of our species. Is there a connection between the lifespan of a civilization and the rate at which its topsoil erodes? The agricultural practices of past societies can serve as a stern warning against highly erosive farming and point the way towards a revolution in the way we produce the sustenance needed for survival and prosperity. What does it mean that rapidly increasing food prices are causing riots around the world while a dump-truck load of soil enters the Mississippi Delta every second?

In Extraenvironmentalist #14 we speak with Dave Montgomery, author of Dirt: The Erosion of Civilizations. In his book, Dr. Montgomery covers historical evidence from Rome, Greece, China and other societies to trace a link between population dynamics and erosion. Even though the land of North America has only experienced heavy agricultural erosion for a much shorter span, we've already mined the fertility of the U.S. Southeast to churn out tobacco, driving populations towards the Pacific in search of more productive land. We discuss some key historical examples and talk about how modern trends point to serious concerns for the present as soil productivity declines at a rapid rate. Can a crisis in global agriculture be avoided when our society is heavily dependent on the temporary agricultural output boosted by petroleum dependent chemicals?

 

// Music (in order of appearance)
Conner Youngblood - Summer Song via The Music Ninja
 Bibio - K is for Kelson via Et Musique Pour Tous
Mount Moriah - Lament via The New Music Collaborative
Daughter - Landfill via Earplugs Not Included
 Daughter - Candles via Earplugs Not Included

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[ Episode #13 // Debt-Dollar Discipline ]

Apr 8 2011

Mini Episode

Does our currency drive participation in a disciplinary system that conditions a consumer society? Surplus goods created by industrial production require an acceptable set of behaviors, reinforced by a financial establishment of rewards and punishments. Though the people reliant on disciplinary institutions are used to playing by the rules, what happens when the game changes suddenly?

In Extraenvironmentalist #13 we speak with Ashvin Pandurangi, writer for The Automatic Earth on his series of articles that describe the Debt-Dollar Discipline, the global system of currencies backed by the U.S. Dollar that define the choice sets available to us. We ask about how finance, currency, education and our institutions create a rigid disciplinary guideline. Ash, Seth and Justin ponder the question of whether a global system that slowly empties its gas tank can handle a rapid disintegration and a population in developed nations accustomed to discipline.

A SPECIAL THANKS TO: Mr. Thomas Bevan for his magical performance in singing about the Titanic.

BEFORE APRIL 14th: Vote for Justin's video in the OECD's 50th Anniversary Challenge to redefine economic progress

 

// Music (in order of appearance)
Daughter - Run via The Music Ninja
 Malvina Reynolds - Little Boxes via Dangerous Minds #18
Lanu - Beautiful Trash (feat. Megan Washington) via SoundCloud
Anomie Bell - How Can I Be Sure via IndieShuffle

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[ Episode #12 // Questioning Collapse ]

Mar 13 2011

Mini Episode

As anthropologists, historians and popular writers fit the complex events of the past into stories that relay morals to the modern world, sometimes details can be overlooked to make a point. Does a civilization collapse or does it merely transform? What role does human resilience play in the shifting structures of a society? Has a society failed if it still has millions of descendants and a rich cultural history?

In Extraenvironmentalist #12 we speak with Patricia McAnany, co-editor of Questioning Collapse which addresses many oversights in the complex narratives conveniently distilled to form the pages of Jared Diamond's Collapse. We discuss some of the issues with the often cited reasons for the collapse of Mayan civilization, including simplifications made in Diamond's writings. How can we identify and classify a civilizational collapse? While many historical examples of rapid societal change may appear to be a collapse, they might just represent a collection of people living in the aftermath of empire.

NOTE: All celebrity voices are purely very poor impersonations and are not meant to be real in any way, shape or form.

 

// Music (in order of appearance)
Chris Bathgate - No Silver via Chris Bathgate's Website
Oh Land - Wolf and I via Et Musique Pour Tous
RÜFÜS - We Left via FRENCH EXPRESS
Generationals - Greenleaf via Klubb Ace

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[ Episode #11 // Temporal Blindness ]

Feb 17 2011

Mini Episode

Our education system creates the models we use to interpret information. A faulty model can lead to significant blind spots, especially in thinking about nonlinear problems. Do the cognitive models that you've developed allow you to understand the severe problems threatening our global civilization? How accurately can you recognize how trends will impact your society and your life? What is a reasonable response to dealing with 7 billion homo sapiens sapiens?

In Extraenvironmentalist #11 we speak with Jack Alpert of the Stanford Knowledge Integration Lab about the role that our cognitive models play in recognizing the severity of our global predicament. Seth and I discuss Jack's writings and his Nonlinearity and the Elephant Problem video. After talking about how to deal with scarce resources on a finite planet, we dive into how to deal with overpopulation, including Jack's approach for building public of rapid population decline through convincing grandmothers that fewer babies need to be born.

As always, let us know what you think about the episode through our email or voicemail, we'd love to hear from you! Especially if you think Justin's Alex Jones impression sounds far too constipated.

 

// Music (in order of appearance)
Purity Ring - Ungirthed via The Music Ninja
Mighty Mike - Lonely Yoshimi (The Police v The Flaming Lips) via AudioPorn Central
 DJ Lobsterdust - Gotta Fly (Steve Miller Band v Amerie) via DJ Lobsterdust
MillionYoung - Perfect Eyes (Snoretex Mix) via A Heart is a Spade

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[ Episode #6 // Peak Oil Blues ]

Nov 11 2010

Mini Episode

The old Chinese curse, "may you live in interesting times", is a particularly apt encapsulation of the current moment we experience on the global stage of affairs, yet facing an uncertain future doesn't mean it has to unfold as bleak.

The readily available net energy which drove rapid expansion of a particular form of dominance hierarchy known as corporate capitalism is fading, and with its collapse goes the standard of life it engendered. The realization that our embedded expectations of the future might rapidly diverge from reality is one that can be very difficult to integrate. By reaching the global maximum flow rate of oil we face significant psychological issues - as young adults facing this reality, the range of options for preparation can be staggering.

Kathy McMahon of Peak Oil Blues has been helping many deal with the psychological issues one faces when grasping the reality and severity of peak oil. In Extraenvironmentalist #6, we interview Kathy to talk about the psychological dimensions of peak oil and how those of us just starting our adult lives can prepare for life after the peak.

Many thanks to Kevin M. who provided an edit of several documentaries on peak oil - an edit which beautifully and elegantly introduces the issue. At the end of the episode we play a voicemail Kevin left us regarding his thoughts on the Extraenvironmentalist #3's clash between podcast titans KMO and Doug Lain.

 

// Media Links
Media Collage | A 5 Minute Introduction to Peak Oil assembled by and courtesy of Kevin M.

// Music (in order of appearance)
Glasser - Mirrorage via The Music Ninja
Decemberists - Down by the Water via The Music Slut
Caribou - Sun (Midland Remix) via Redthreat
Humans - Avec Mes Mecs via IndieShuffle
Keith Reedy - Drinkin' Billy's Beer via WFMU Beware of the Blog

// Corrections and Blunders

- Please do call or email us with corrections if you find something we've said to be factually inaccurate -


 

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[ Episode #3 // Ideological Energy ]

Sep 27 2010

Mini Episode

A truly well-informed person will undoubtedly discover the rapid rate at which belief in business as usual is collapsing. This collapse extends to include our ecosystems, our human systems and our thought systems. Is deflating societal complexity fueled by cheap energy causing this collapse? Would such a collapse inherently allow for a positive social transformation? Do the organizing principles in society disappear when the energy supporting them transforms to naught but entropy?

In The Extraenvironmentalist #3 we expand on these questions through a debate between KMO of the C-Realm Podcast and Doug Lain of the Diet Soap Podcast. We use Dmitry Orlov's 5 Stages of Collapse as a base for the discussion.

Doug challenged KMO on Facebook by stating that he heard KMO saying he was looking forward to collapse. In the ensuing exchange, well outside the capacity of the Facebook medium, it was decided that Doug was unclear on KMO's views which he intended to critique. We've structured this episode to narrow down the discussion and in doing so expose some interesting connections between collapse, complexity, ideology and energy.

Additionally, Seth talks about Elk and we unveil our new voicemail inbox which could possibly summon extradimensional mind-structures if you're not careful with it.

 

// Media Links
Youtube | Cultural Theory: Althusser's Concept of Ideology
Podcast | What Now with Ken Rose Broadcast on 6.28.2010 ft. Joseph Tainter

// Music (in order of appearance)
The Mynabirds - Numbers Don't Lie via OneTrackMind
Chicago Bulls Intro Song
Gold Panda - Same Dream China via Pitchfork
Miike Snow - Animal (Mark Ronson remix) via AudioPorn Central
 Glasser - Home via Stereogum
Arcade Fire - The Suburbs (Christian TV Mix) via The Music Slut
Gold Panda - Quitters Raga via Pitchfork

// Corrections and Blunders (Please do correct us if you find something we've said to be factually inaccurate)

Justin left his skype sounds on during the interview and they are distracting

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